Conversations With Clowns

Comedy:Tragedy

We are all staring into the mirror trying to shake hands with ourselves.

Wavy Gravy Merry Prankster/Woodstock Emcee/Beat Poet Hugh Romney/Ben & Jerry’s Flavor

 

As a friendly neighborhood folk journalist, I’ve been lucky enough to meet and interviewed people in public as well as inside a radio studio, from Bob Newhart to Eli Broad, Vidal Sassoon to Bill Viola, Wavy Gravy to Avner the Eccentric. For the BBC, CBS, NPR, APM and BAI, which is WBAI in NYC, a Pacifica station like KPFK in Los Angeles and KPFA up in Berkeley.

In radio, you have to look face-to-face, even it means tilting your head to get through all the equipment in between the two of you.

So the face becomes part of the conversation. [See CHAPTER TK: HOW THE DEAF DO IT]

And I’ve been asked, Does a folk journalist ever get tired of hearing someone’s story?

Heck yeah!

Many’s the morning at say, a Peet’s in North Berkeley, where every confab you overhear takes on elements of as Hamlet puts it in Hamlet: “… it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors.”

Yuck, right?

Which is why watching much of the culture carrying on via Facebook, folk journalists still prefer best the face-to-face back-and-forth.

Here’s an example. Interviewing clowns in New York City, I asked Dr. Meatloaf (Stephen Ringold), the following:

“What’s it like to be a clown in today’s world?”

First thing he taught me?  How my microphone is like his face paint – a prop mask which acts to free up the persona. Lets it come through.

“Hmm.” I said.

Then he said: “My clown parts lately seem to be coming together.”

“Really? In what way?” I asked.

“Like the lovers at end of Shakespeare’s Winter’s Tale,” Dr. Meatloaf said. “Melting ice and redemption, welcoming what comes, welcoming the wounds of love, you know, opening up to the anima and learning to more and more embrace the part of the clown persona of vulnerability, of suffering laughter.”

Well said. For a clown. (Kidding; I’ve done shows with Mr. Ringold in Germany, the Netherlands, and New Jersey, so he understands.)

 

Dr. Meatloaf clowning with family on Cape Cod
Try this at home: Dr. Meatloaf family

Yes, I admit it: some of my best friends are clowns. Dr. Noodle (aka Ilene Weiss) is another hilarious pal. I’ve always dug Wavy Gravy’s definition of one as, “A poet who is also an orangutan.” Dr. Meatloaf, in realizing this persona, uses his long experience and craft in places like the “Clown Care Unit” where he and Dr. Noodle played with stricken children in hospitals and at Paul Newman’s Hole-in-the-Wall Gang camp in Connecticut.

http://www.bigapplecircus.org/clown-care

http://www.holeinthewallgang.org

Classical Clowns
by Gregory L. Blackstock

 

Ringold also does a mean Ebenezer Scrooge every Christmas in New York’s Morgan Library, where they have the original text of Christmas Carol:

http://www.themorgan.org/collections/works/dickens/ChristmasCarol/62

Another wonderful clown, Avner the Eccentric Eisenberg  is from Maine by way of Atlanta. I interviewed him at McHale’s theater bar on 45th Street in New York (no longer there). Avner explained his practice of humor as healing. A holy goofing healing method involving breathing. Yep, it works medicinally, and has grown continentally, with people starting their days in Laughter Clubs from Mumbai to Middletown, USA. And feeling revivified afterward.  http://www.laughteryoga.org/english/club/find_club

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Avner the Eccentric
http://www.avnertheeccentric.com

Folk Journalist Activity

Learn to carry a microphone like wearing a mask.

Interview clowns.

Try wearing clown face and taking part in street fairs, whether in San Francisco, Europe, Burning Man or the Catskills. Or simply to entertain ill relatives. Here a new feeling comes live: You find yourself free to say anything to anybody. And as it begins conversations, draws conversations out, it also draws new conversation. Imagine dressing up and chatting with fellow “cosplayers,” partaking in all kinds of fantasy confabs at comic-conventions where instant myths get created right in front of your face. Or if you’re not game, attend and just observe. Nothing’s better than being close enough to get some giggles out of it.

Bonus!

One of my favorite new clowns is Mr. Clown, who helps toddlers close the “30 million word gap”

http://mrclown.tv

Mr. Clown
Mr. Clown recording session at Tom Catalbiano’s house in Hollywood

To read my interview w/ Dan Berkley, a Ringling Bros Barnum & Bailey circus clown:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/articles/item/clowning_around_20060728

For more about the amazing, the original Wavy Gravy:  http://www.wavygravy.net

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All Aboard at the Conversation Station !

sketch by Flash
drawing by Flash Rosenberg

Humans are wired for social interaction. We want to work with people and have conversations with people. Laura Venderkam, Wall Street Journal Bookshelf (Aug 14th 2015)

Conversation stations can include: a Restaurant,  a Diner, a Café, a Park.

How about in a classroom? Among fellow students. Back and forth with the teacher. Or in class after the teacher leaves, even.

Waiting in/on line, waiting for a plane, waiting for your laundry, your coffee, your $$$ lottery winnings.

Okay, picture this: A crowded waiting room. “Everybody waiting…old man sleeping on his bags, women with that teased-up kind of hair…kids with the jitters in their legs and those wide wide open stares.” Joni Mitchell, Just Like This Train 

Like Joni, for good talk, I take trains whenever possible.

 

Train CrossingTrainCrosses

Why?

Folks are more appreciative on trains. Appreciative of things like TIME. Like lounging, reading, sleeping – folks on a train create a little neighborhood together.  It’s like The little neighborhood that never was. Except right now it exists while you are traveling together.  Where ya going? Through time? Hey, nobody leaves the room do they? Which makes them great places to appreciate conversation.

So get your convo on in the “Club” car, the “Dome” car, the “Sightseer” car.

Ever been?

Women in purple in dome car
Purple dresses in the dome car

It’s where Amtrak-Americans gather for observation, games, and opening up. As a folk journalist, I’ve gone coast-to-coast with a cast of characters thousands of miles and over eight-minutes-long for NPR. *

The youngest get excited about stuff like: “Look at the light rail track over there!” (Apparently little kids love light rail. Perhaps post-Millennial Gen Next will popularize mass transit!)

The oldest, who maybe dislike flying or the bus, know rail travel is more civilized. Amtrak was years ahead of the sharing economy: you are forced to share a table in the dining car. But you get to hear about lives. Ethanol farmers from Kansas, rodeo clowns from El Paso – each takes your mind off your laptop and phone, talking your ear off all the way to Union Station in Chicago, LA, Portland or Spokane.

You get to feel their strong handshakes afterwards.

 

Rob & Bob our guides about the Empire Builder
Rob & Bob, nature guides aboard The Empire Builder

I lucked out once and got seated for dinner while crossing eastern Washington into Idaho and Montana with two nature guides: Bob & Rob.  They came aboard to present a “Rails to Trails” talk.  Soon the history of the Cascades and a couple of Columbia River dams came alive as the apple capitals and pear orchards flying by. The tunnel we’d come through was the second longest in the world – longest being in B.C. just north of here—and by the time the full moon over Wenatchee rose, I’d learned all about Mt’s Baker and Rainier, and Snokomish, too, so I suggested the duo do a “Bob and Ray” routine because Rob was low-voiced calm and Bob taller and more high strung in his descriptions of vineyards and the delights of Washington cherries.

 

Cascades seen from Amtrak
Cascades seen from Amtrak

 

Of course, there are other times, a folk journalist will sit staring out a train window, thinking: “Man I have no life.” Then out the same window, passing Ventura, here comes a view of the Pacific Ocean, sea and sky and mountains and everything in between. And then he realizes: I have all of life! And soon I’m engaged in friendly confabs up and down the California coast again…

Working on the RR
Working on the RR

 

Suddenly I hear: “Lookit, Mom! Lookit!”

What is it?

”Bubbles!” the little girl shouts pointing at a polluted river winding down there below the tracks.

“Woo Woo!” goes the train, and all is well.

Williston ND Station
Williston Station, North Dakota

 

BACK POCKET BANTER

Where have you traveled on a train or by ship?

What kind of acquaintances have you made on a trip?

What’s the strangest thing you’ve ever seen happen while traveling?

Did you ever learn anything new from conversations on a train, ship or plane?

What is the longest trip you’ve ever been on?

 

BONUS!

An additional conversation aboard Amtrak is how you are reducing your “carbon footprint” by taking a train instead of flying in an airplane. Which may lead to interesting places and a longer confab in the Dining Car.

 

ACTIVITIES

Ever ask a diner woman or porter on board what’s their favorite song? They’ll sing it for you.

 

Williston North Dakota
Leaving Williston ND

 

* A folk journalist walks into an Amtrak 

http://savvytraveler.publicradio.org/show/rundowns/2003/20030516/rd20030516.shtml

Freestylers & Foreigners: Fear and Locomotiving on the Southwest Chief There are only three trans-continental trains in the U.S. And, with Amtrak planning on dropping some of its long-distance routes, you might want to put a choo-choo trip across the States higher on your travel to-do list. Hank Rosenfeld took this to heart when he boarded Amtrak Train #4 at LA’s Union Station with a cast of characters including golden-agers and their grandchildren, Central American tourists and ex-cons let out of Lompoc that morning. And all the while, on his 48-hour trip to Detroit, Hank experiences the romance of the rail.

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Words to Get Going With? (Milton Berle said he spent the first 30 minutes of his act clearing his throat)

“In a world where the rules are breaking down, where the world is changing so fast in all directions that a lot of people have a sense of bewilderment. You don’t actually know what the rules are anymore.” Salman Rushdie

 

 

Clever Ideas Happen Here

Hello again out there, Hank here, welcome to you all, to “WalkyTalky,” which is what I am, really, my reason for being here as a human, because I walk around town and I talk to people as a folk journalist, listening to them. Conducting conversations for NPR, newspapers, magazines, sites for sore eyes.

Pretty much any electrical outlet in the storm.

Times are tough, right tough for folks looking for a good talk. Am I right?

Like my friend Kris in North Dakota says, “the thing is” technology connects us in so many new ways. At the same time things appear to be pulling apart everywhere we look. But just as a few fantastic discoveries have changed the world, I’m confident there’s enough time left to discover another.

Imagine the voice of the radio announcer, stirring up underneath himself such stirring music that aides him as he intones: And, as we find ourselves more and more forever facing books on computers and faces inside our phones…friends, do you tend to, in the face of it:

 1) Shut down and just say nothing at all?

2) Bark at it all from the outside you chirping tweety bird maddog blogging machine that you most wannabe?

or are you finding yourself

3) Disconnecting, into what Beatle John called, Iiiiiii…solation.*

4) Taking up an armful of words in order to fire back, and thusly: Engage!

Because here comes your chance to hitch a ride on the road to better handling a confusing world’s daily swirl of events.

How?

By using words to take action with!

People are always excited when I tell them I’m writing this web log. Because they see new conversations everywhere they look and work on their iChatty Cathy podcasting home-studio screens of some sort or another sort. They agree with me that modern youth’s socialization doesn’t prepare them for presenting one’s self well in the oldest form of the art: face-to-face conversation.

Another way of saying this is, Can we tawk?

WalkyTalky will present fun ways to forget your social fears and forge ahead, screenlessly happy again.

How?

By helping you converse – take part in actual conversations— by pulling from your quiver the sharpest words fireable — zing! fling! sing!– for any occasion. Perfectly useable at any appropriate (and inappropriate) time, by employing at-the-ready retorts, references from movies, songs, TV cartoons from 1964 and yes, by going even deeper (like that’s possible), you’ll win your life with words. Some of these things you’ve never heard before (thanks ghod!) but can one day utilize to your own delight, because I’m telling you folks, We’ve got a great big Convo and baby we’re gonna ride! [SING-A-LONG PARODY OF “CONVOY” FROM MOVIE “CONVOY” TK]

So let’s roll.

Why and why now?

Because as Beck sings, My time is a piece of wax fallin’ on a termite/who’s choking on the splinters.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beck/loser_20015293.html

(If you have time, check out this hilarious video of it * *)

Yes, because time’s a-wastin’,  just say the word.

Words are the way to share time together, most excellently and well-played, sir!

And they’re surely some of the best ways to continue a conversation…

FolkJournalistInterviewAboardAmtrak copy

Fingerpuppet Freud interview amuses Amtrak passengers aboard Southwest Chief

 

*www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnls10DO1Y

 

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What is a folk journalist?

Feeling Nostalgic For A Good Cuppa Conversation

 

In action
Typical folk journalist conversation with typically friendly North Dakotan

The other night I was on a panel with three authors. Sponsored by IWOSC (Independent Writers of Southern California), the topic was “Nostalgia,” and when the moderator turned to me and I leaned into the microphone, this came out: “I’m nostalgic for good conversation.”

Well, the evening proceeded and indeed, a fascinating back-and-forth ensued, with writers trading stories from the biographies they’d completed about old-time Hollywood figures like Spike Jones, Cecil B. DeMille, the Marx Brothers, even Elizabeth Montgomery from the show Bewitched.

At one point, after moderator Bob Birchard said he saw Richard III on a TV show called Omnibus in the 1950s, I threw in: “Ever wonder why with all these new channels today, there’s no Shakespeare kind of Bard-TV thing presenting all the films made from his plays?” Which led to a conversation about theater vs film vs TV, etc.

A folk journalist doesn’t just ask questions. He makes suggestions. Suggestions that instead of getting simple “yes” or “no” answers, lead to something more: creative conversation.

“Feel the buzz of the holidays in here?” I said today to someone at Peet’s.

In this web log I’ll show you what helps me, as a folk journalist, connect with people. How when we walk and talk our way daily through a jungle of what passes like a parade of people here, there and everywhere — mixing metaphors just like that may in fact help you engage in life at your dazzling best.

Ready to play?

“How?” you’re still wondering?

I’m getting to it.

In Gloria Steinem’s new book My Life On The Road, she calls for, “in-person politics and face-to-face organizing. She extols the virtues of conversation circles in arousing empathy and creating connections, but insists that such breakthroughs are simply not possible online. ‘The miraculous and impersonal Internet is not enough,’ she writes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/books/review/gloria-steinems-my-life-on-the-road.html?ref=review

Ann Friedman, reporter on the piece, says Steinem is “foolish to play down” the potential of conversing on the web.

Do you agree? With whom? And why?

Next Time: Saying Whaaaaaaa? Let’s Talk About How We Try and Talk with each other, because I mean, really, who doesn’t like a good talking to, right?

Thanks to fellow panelists Robert S. Bader, Jordan R. Young, Herbie J Pilato
Thanks to IWOSC folks over there:  Jordan R. Young, Herbie J Pilato, Robert S. Bader, Gary Young, Flo Selfman, moderator Bill Birchard
IWOSC
http://www.iwosc.org

 

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Storylistening

Storylistening: A guide to creating clever conversation in our age of screens

 

As the Egyptians say, Welcome you are welcome.

My name is Hank and I’m a recovering folk journalist.

Huh?

Like, you’re wondering, what the heck is that?

Well, for starters, a folk journalist is a person who walks around and talks to people, asking them questions.

He gets into conversations and people tell their stories.

A folk journalist is in a sense, a story listener.

He suggests a topic, conversations get created. And I’m here to help you do that — have terrific conversation.

Why?

Because in a career spent writing, reporting and producing stories for NPR/APM/PRI/BBC/CBS radio shows across this vast land of ours…guess what? I’m finding it harder to have a decent conversation!

What’s going on here? Just yesterday I read on the front page of the New York Times how, “…the rapid spread of mobile technology has redefined the way people talk, the way they shop, the way they walk down the street.”

Do you find this to be true?

The purpose of this web log will be to help you learn new, fun ways to talk with friends, family and other fine folk, face-to-face.

Face 2 Face.

Yes. Instead of letting our devices devise ways of deceiving us into denying ourselves the pleasure of human back-and-forth badinage, let WalkyTalky be your guide to Surviving This Age of Screens.  

How?

I can help; I’ve got skills! On this site: all kinds of tips, pix, quotes and audio-visual bippity-bop I’ve gathered from years of Q & A’s with popular figures like Allen Ginsberg and Woody Allen, Wavy Gravy, Avner the Eccentric, Bob Newhart, you name ’em. From NYC to San Francisco, LA and Detroit, we’ll hold forth with Shakespearean clowns and writers for the Marx Bros and Bye Bye Birdie.  Children and my grandfather when he turned 100. In the background, a sprinkling of guitar from an original member of Jefferson Starship, and cartoon drawings from the wondrous Flash Rosenberg.  Also weaving in and out: wisdom from world class conversationalists on topics like, “What is your conception of God?” “How do you define love?” “What’s the richest you’ve ever been?” “Where were on November 22, 1963?” and “Whatever happened to Elroy Jetson?”

So welcome to the WalkyTalky and join the conversation. Next time: Time’s-a-wastin’ so let’s get gabbing.

Yes friends, “We’ve got a great big Convo, truckin’ through the night,” as that song from the 70s sort of sang.

Seen recently on billboards all over Las Vegas:

No Acepte Imitaciones !
As the man says: “No Acepte Imitaciones !”

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